HMP over at Her Majesty’s Plaything pointed me at an interesting thread over on Max Fisch’s forum. The initial posting by Miss Darcy was mainly about submissives over-committing and going too far in trying to please. But it then evolved into a discussion about drama, emotional involvement and boundary management with Miss Darcy, Irene Boss and alx. The relevant posts are here, then here, then here, and…well you can probably figure the rest out.
HMP’s original post quoted at length from the thread, and I don’t want to simply repeat his post. Instead I want to pick out a particular aspect of the play they’re talking about.
Moths to the flame, they will be attracted to the scenes that upset them the most. It’s just the nature of things when emotional masochism is part of a person’s psycho sexual makeup. Unfortunately if you are going to practice within the extremes you can expect this behavior to continue
Irene Boss…..forced bi, cuckolding, and full toilet are three of my favorite things. With my emphasis on humiliation and mind control I seem to both attract and be attracted to the delicate, fascinating psyches of slaves, some of whom inevitably gravitate towards emotional masochism. It is the psychological play that grips me, and in some ways I think that is the most dangerous kinky activity out there.
Miss Darcy
It seems strange, but I realized as I was reading this, that I’d never really thought about emotional masochism. I’d only ever thought about it as a physical concept. This is no doubt because that’s the way I’m wired. Any anger, insults or humiliation in a scene really kills the mood for me. Cruelty and objectification are great, but being insulted quickly pulls me out of submissive mode and into ‘Who the hell do you think you are?’ mode. However, regardless of my personal wiring, in hindsight it seems pretty odd that in years of thinking about femdom I’d never really pondered emotional masochism.
Now I do come to think about, I realize how incredibly difficult it must be to explore, on both side of the D/s equation. When I play the thing I’m trying to ultimately optimize, my emotional state, is not the thing that’s being directly messed with. A great session might be very cathartic and leave me emotionally on a high, but it’s not always necessary to get there. I can just have a good session and end up feeling happy and lightly buzzed. In contrast emotional play seems far more risky and volatile. It could be fantastic if you have a cathartic breakthrough, but terrible if you don’t reach that tipping point. To use a slightly odd but apt analogy, it seems a little like flying from an aircraft carrier. Once you commit to it there’s either going to be a plane in the air or a big expensive splash. There’s no middle ground.
The other thing that struck me was how differently the same activities can be viewed. For example, Miss Darcy talks about cuckolding as an example of emotional masochism. I find cuckolding an intriguing idea, although I’ve not had the chance to experience it. But if I was to do it, I’d always think about it in the context of tease and denial. A case of – “He gets to enjoy the greatest pleasure while you’re frustrated.” I could never do it as – “You’re not enough of a man so I need this guy to satisfy me.” That would just be annoying, and life is already too full of annoying things.
Similarly any forced-bi play would have to be in the context of a hot sexual scene enabling her pleasure. Doing it as a kind of punishment or humiliation would just seem weird to me.
I guess I can be grateful that, through no skill of my own, I got lucky in the nature/nurture dice game that molds our kinks. Physical masochism just leaves me with some odd marks to explain. I don’t have to risk an emotional rollercoaster or a nervous breakdown each time I play.
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Hi Paltego:
I finally found this! Great post!
You and I are wired in similar ways. I absolutely hate being verbally degraded, screamed at, told that I am a piece of shit etc. It does nothing for me but wilt my erection. When Her Majesty berates me I often joke with her that i love her verbal domination but that is really just a humorous means of deflection! š
I like to feel close to my Mistress and feel that she genuinely cares for me when I play. If a Mistress approaches me in a tender, seductive and caring manner she can expertly manipulate me and I become putty in her hands. So the emotions very definitely come into play.
As for the activities described they all push red hot emotional buttons for me. Some of them I have fantasized about while others fill me with trepidation. That said, if the emotional bond was strong I believe the right Mistress could seduce me into doing just about anything. Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead regardless of the consequences.
I have always been irresistibly drawn to the trifecta of tenderness and cruelty. That is where my sweet spot lies. That way lies madness as well if I am not careful.
Thanks HMP. It’s an interesting and complicated area to think about. As you say not being an emotional masochist doesn’t mean emotions aren’t very much in play. It’s the dynamic between the two people that’s important, and that has a big dose of psychology and emotional connection. I guess there may be some physical masochists that are purely about the sensation of pain, but I don’t think either of us play that way. The line between pleasurable cruelty (emotional and physical) and unpleasant cruelty is tricky and some of those activities are definitely going to flirt with it.
-paltego